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  • 09-11-2009 8:36 PM In reply to

    • Mr R3
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    Re: Riders in/out

    mudrock:
    Obviously decisions that are made to be punitive, if this story is true, have to be kept out of the press. Gerrans obviously would not want to air out such a thing, if he hopes to still ride for his team for the remainder of the season. We probably won't know until next year, if Gerrans even feels like talking then.

    Alternatively, if he were responsible for his own exclusion, why wouldn't he want to hold up his hand and say, "Yes - i made a mistake. I'm a big boy now, and i can admit fallibility. I can also be accountable for my actions. I should have done things differently and it was undisciplined not to. I understand what team rules are for and i also appreciate the importance of upholding them. There's not much i can do or say right now to change what happened, and i sure lost out in this case by missing out on a place in our TdF squad. I'm devastated, but I will try my best to do things differently next time." ...and then just wear the penalty with a stiff upper lip?

    I reckon to be professional about this - and to handle it differently (ie. professionally) - would only have served to benefit everyone. It would've decreased rumours/intrigue, and serve to increase respect from the public and other teams. The rider, himself, would demonstrate that he is mature and of a certain character. It would show he is professional enough to take account of his actions. It would also probably save the manifestation of ill-feeling which would lead to a parting of ways. Honesty and professionalism (when combined) are highly valuable. Especially in the environment of trouble our sport has suffered though of recent times. It's all about respect, really.

    gerard speaks of "excesses" in this sport. What he has allowed to occur, in this case, is the direct opposite. Secret Squirrel stuff - which the sport has had enough of over the past few seasons. All parties should take some responsibility for their actions and be accountable in this current pro-scene climate. We've had enough secrecy. To be honest and open - and provide official statements - shouldn't be considered an "excess" where it is constructive. Backing a dumb hissy-fit at a press conference with an official blog is rather less than constructive when the athlete concerned later apologises and makes you look silly.

    Instead we had/have no comment or closure on what happened with Gerrans, whether ill feeling was the result, and why exactly we are now losing this guy to another team. All of which is just unnecessary and avoidable. Gerard knows this. His (and the rest of the team's management's) silence on the issue speaks volumes.

    Darren

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  • 09-11-2009 10:28 PM In reply to

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    Mr R3:

    I will heed this request (except if i need to reply to anyone, should they reply to my posts)...

    I appreciate I have been outspoken on this matter, as it made me quite annoyed when it happened. I remained a bit miffed because no persuasive official reasons were ever provided to fans of this team and fans of the Tour de France. There was no closure on a stupid decision and no acknowledgement of either the rider or his merits by Gerard in his above post. I consider that to be disappointing.

    Hey Mr R3, I appreciate your candor, but I've already told you this has been beaten to death ... we know there is something going on. I respect Management and I respect Gerrans, I trust there were reasons for what was done. I don't know whether they were justified, I don't know whether they were fair (and from whose perspective). I know 2 things - that Gerrans has great potential, and that CTT has shown a preference for individuals on the team other than Gerrans. I do not know the reasons, I have speculated on the possible reasons without rubbishing either party, based on my faith that both sides are professional, competent and reasonable but for whatever reasons have chosen to take this path. I still think CTT has delivered a lot, given their resouces and circumstances (I can point you to a list of their accomplishments in their very short history as a Pro Continental team). Gerrans has 2 GT stage wins, and in only his 5th season joins a very exclusive club of cyclists who have won a stage in all 3 Grand Tours. The CTT season has been disappointing so far for Gerrans (no TDF), but not a washout. If Gerard is not saying anything, it is probably because he (unlike yourself - and this is not a criticism of you) won't say anything about the Gerrans situation because he can't say anything nice. Perhaps this will come out in the wash. The decison of Gerrans to train with Armstrong and Leipheimer (2 of Sastre's GC rivals) in Colorado while Sastre was scouting the Alps and the rest of the team was training in Switzerland for the Tour sounded a little strange to me, but then again, what do I know - I wasn't there and  I'm not privy to the conversations these people have. Hopefully this will work out best for everyone. Cheers!

  • 09-11-2009 10:44 PM In reply to

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    If Simon's exclusion from the TDF squad was a disciplenary action by the team then I don't see any reason why ownership or management would make that public.  If this is the case, and Simon was professional and took his medicine (and I repeat, I don't know if this is really the situation), then I'm sure he wouldn't be very happy with them airing his dirty laundry to the public.  So in looking at the situation CTT is screwed if they do and if they don't.  If this is how things did play out then it looks to me like CTT chose to keep things in-house and Simon took his ball and is now going home.

    I don't usually weigh-in on these issues because people get very emotional and tend to strike out with personal barbs, but I'm just so damned sick of reading how hard done-by Simon is.  IMHO he was given tons of support in the spring and he's got to sit out sooner or later.  I'm not sure about Simon but I know a lot of riders have their race schedule set before the racing even begins.  He can't expect to race in every event.  I know it's disappointing but that's TEAM sport.

    I wish him luck with his new team.  And for all you Aussies out there, please go easy on me.

    NewGuy

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  • 09-12-2009 1:27 PM In reply to

    • Matthew
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    Re: Riders in/out

    NewGuy:

    Thought to self..."Do I really want to post this?"

     

    You have spoken for me for sure on this. Thanks.

  • 09-26-2009 2:59 AM In reply to

    • mudrock
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    Re: Riders in/out

    Bos the Impaler to Cervelo Test Team

    Theo Bos has a new job: shadow Cavendish at next year's Tour and run him into the barriers just as Thor starts his sprint!

    Alex
  • 09-26-2009 5:19 AM In reply to

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    "Pain is temporary, quitting lasts forever."
  • 09-27-2009 8:16 AM In reply to

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     Not sure if this has been posted.  Just saw on cycling news.

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/the-cyclingnews-guide-to-rider-transfers

     

    Cervélo TestTeam

    In:

    Out:
    Simon Gerrans

    Re-signed:
    Heinrich Haussler
    Thor Hushovd
    Martin Reimer

     

    Who is left looks like most of the good riders may be leaving.

  • 09-30-2009 9:01 PM In reply to

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    THY:
    Óscar Pereiro Sio in top form is definitely a rider I would like too see in our team.
    One of the few spaniards which I definitely think is doping free..

    Pereiro keen on ending career with Xacobeo



    runart:
    .....

    Alexander Kristoff is really up and coming, but maybe you'd also want to take a look at Frederik Wilmann (son of Jostein Wilmann) who is considered to be one of the biggest talents in norwegian cycling ever.

    .....

    Skil-Shimano hires Norwegian Wilmann


    "Pain is temporary, quitting lasts forever."
  • 10-03-2009 8:51 PM In reply to

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    Cervélo TestTeam transfers so far:

    In:
    Stefan Denifl
    Theo Bos
    Davide Appollonio (stagaire, not signed)

    Out:
    Simon Gerrans
    Hayden Roulston
    Serge Pauwels


    Re-signed:
    Thor Hushovd
    Heinrich Haussler
    Ignatas Konovalovas
    Martin Reimer
    Íñigo Cuesta López de Castro



    I think most of Simon Gerrans' wage is used on Heinrich's, Ignatas' and Martin's contract extensions.
    Denifl's and Bos' contract will be on the same level as what Pauwels and Roulston had.

    The big question now is did we get any compensation from the transfers of Gerrans and Roulston?


    "Pain is temporary, quitting lasts forever."
  • 10-03-2009 11:15 PM In reply to

    • mudrock
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    Re: Riders in/out

    THY:
    I think most of Simon Gerrans' wage is used on Heinrich's, Ignatas' and Martin's contract extensions.
    Denifl's and Bos' contract will be on the same level as what Pauwels and Roulston had.

    The big question now is did we get any compensation from the transfers of Gerrans and Roulston?
    Must have gotten some cash for those guys. Bos has a unique contract: headhunters like him get paid by the scalp. $1000 Euros every time he shoves one of Thor's competitors into the barriers.
    Alex
  • 10-16-2009 12:33 PM In reply to

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    Woman's Team:
    Olympic champion Cooke signs with German squad
    Why didn't we signed her, when her contract apparently had expired?


    "Pain is temporary, quitting lasts forever."
  • 10-21-2009 8:29 AM In reply to

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    Updated:

    Cervélo TestTeam transfers so far:

    In:
    Stefan Denifl
    Theo Bos
    Davide Appollonio (stagaire, not signed)

    Out:
    Simon Gerrans
    Hayden Roulston
    Serge Pauwels


    Re-signed:
    Thor Hushovd
    Heinrich Haussler
    Andreas Klier
    Ignatas Konovalovas
    Martin Reimer
    Daniel Lloyd
    Íñigo Cuesta López de Castro
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



    Difficult first season with Cervélo - Future in the balance
    Fleeman still does not know if he will have a place at Cervélo in 2010 but fortunately has been contacted by another important Professional Continental team....


    "Pain is temporary, quitting lasts forever."
  • 10-26-2009 12:04 PM In reply to

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    Fleeman still looking for team
    It seems like Cervélo TestTeam don't want to give a contract offer..


    "Pain is temporary, quitting lasts forever."
  • 10-28-2009 3:22 PM In reply to

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    "Pain is temporary, quitting lasts forever."
  • 10-28-2009 3:30 PM In reply to

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