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Last post 11-19-2009 4:22 PM by THY. 72 replies.
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  • 07-31-2009 6:16 PM In reply to

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    Posting of blood values mean nothing unless you know how to accurately assess them and know the thresholds.  The values can be misinterpreted by the average person who just looks at the figures without fully understanding the science.  Armstrong did post some of the figures when he had an arrangement with his private testers (saw it somehwere in the past on the net).  The UCI has more than enough samples from the recent TdF and througout the year to obtain a passport profile.  He is the most tested cyclist by far.

    I remember reading on cyclingnews that some teams also had problems deciphering the test results and have asked the UCI to provide better understanding in its interpretation.  Many teams analyse the results with their medical team.

    I am in the opinion that the UCI has the info and not disclose them.  This allows them to better investigate 'covertly' without letting riders know that they are being investigated and thus reducing the likelihood of being caught.  There are drugs out there that may not be detectable - CERA was undetectable until the drug company developed a test for it.  Keeping old samples for future testing is a good idea.

  • 08-08-2009 9:18 AM In reply to

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    Gérard Vroomen about Thor Hushovd - I think he is one of the most underrated riders in the peloton!
  • 09-14-2009 1:16 PM In reply to

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    Biondo suspended for EPO positive

    Another doping case has possibly impact on the Cervélo TestTeam results.
    Roger Hammond now possibly second overall in Post Danmark Rundt (Tour of Denmark)!
    Ignatas Konovalovas now possibly 6th overall and Martin Reimer now possibly 8th overall.



    Gérard Vroomen about Thor Hushovd - I think he is one of the most underrated riders in the peloton!
  • 09-14-2009 4:47 PM In reply to

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    THY:
    Biondo suspended for EPO positive

    Another doping case has possibly impact on the Cervélo TestTeam results.
    Roger Hammond now possibly second overall in Post Danmark Rundt (Tour of Denmark)!
    Ignatas Konovalovas now possibly 6th overall and Martin Reimer now possibly 8th overall.

    Its nice to know that everyone moves up in the standings, but really, I don't think riders feel any recognition when they move up on a doping DQ. Many (most? all?)  riders  have done some kind of doping before, so they know the deal - you get careless, or foolishly desperate and you are more likely to get caught.

  • 09-18-2009 9:51 PM In reply to

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    Gérard Vroomen about Thor Hushovd - I think he is one of the most underrated riders in the peloton!
  • 09-18-2009 10:33 PM In reply to

    • Jasann
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  • 09-18-2009 10:55 PM In reply to

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    I have said it before also, it's nothing new.
    And I stand by that!



    Gérard Vroomen about Thor Hushovd - I think he is one of the most underrated riders in the peloton!
  • 09-19-2009 11:00 PM In reply to

    • Jasann
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    Re: Doping!

    Jasann:

    THY:

    Uh THY, I am not Spanish, but that is rather offensive.

    I have said it before also, it's nothing new.

    And I stand by that!

    What does being Spanish have to do with getting caught doping? Why single out the Spaniards with your bigotry, what about the Portuguese rider mentioned in the article you posted a link to? Nothing against the Portuguese? Last time I looked, there have been numerous cyclist from every country caught doping. To make a comment about one's intelligence based on their country of origin is small minded and ignorant. Period.

  • 09-19-2009 11:35 PM In reply to

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    In last couple of years Italians and Spaniards are the two nations that have the majority of riders who has been caught for doping.
    That's a fact!

    And that's what I'm saying, nothing more nothing less.



    Gérard Vroomen about Thor Hushovd - I think he is one of the most underrated riders in the peloton!
  • 09-27-2009 10:31 PM In reply to

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    UCI augments enforcement with education
    The UCI has unveiled a new educational program that will complement its ever-increasing anti-doping arsenal.



    Gérard Vroomen about Thor Hushovd - I think he is one of the most underrated riders in the peloton!
  • 09-30-2009 8:51 PM In reply to

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    Dekker's counter-analysis positive for EPO
    After denying "to the bitter end", he finally admits to have used doping.



    Gérard Vroomen about Thor Hushovd - I think he is one of the most underrated riders in the peloton!
  • 09-30-2009 10:09 PM In reply to

    • Jasann
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    Re: Doping!

    THY:
    In last couple of years Italians and Spaniards are the two nations that have the majority of riders who has been caught for doping.
    That's a fact!

    And that's what I'm saying, nothing more nothing less.
     

    Wow, the two countries with the largest group of pro cyclists have the most dopers you say.

    Next it will be the USA and China winning the most medals at the Summer Olympics and Jamaica amongst the least in the Winter Olympics.

  • 10-01-2009 2:38 AM In reply to

    • Alexo
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    Re: Doping!

    I wonder if there really are as many doping cheats as some on this forum seem to think. Deciding to cheat as a way of getting ahead is pretty much a decision to carry out a criminal act - most people would think long and hard before doing it. Of course, those that go ahead and subsequently get caught will try to say or imply "that eveyone's doing it". But that's really how they justify it in their own minds, it's not necessarily the truth. The reality is, anyone caught cheating by doping should be banned for life and stripped of all awards. No second chances. Professional sportsmen and women are very privileged people who live lives the rest of us can only dream of. If they are too stupid to realize this and decide to dope, then we the punters (as well as the sport governing bodies), should show them no mercy. Me? I'd like to see substantial jail sentences.
  • 10-01-2009 10:34 AM In reply to

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    The best post I've read in a long time!   Yes [Y]
    I totally agree with you.



    Gérard Vroomen about Thor Hushovd - I think he is one of the most underrated riders in the peloton!
  • 10-01-2009 12:54 PM In reply to

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    Alexo:
    The reality is, anyone caught cheating by doping should be banned for life and stripped of all awards. No second chances. Professional sportsmen and women are very privileged people who live lives the rest of us can only dream of. If they are too stupid to realize this and decide to dope, then we the punters (as well as the sport governing bodies), should show them no mercy. Me? I'd like to see substantial jail sentences.
     

    I understand your sentiment, but really ... we see athletes who assault people, commit rapes, steal, and worse who are not singled out for this kind of treatment by sporting bodies. I do think doping is all too pervasive. In reality, there are many things that can/should be considered doping ("ergogenic") that are not - caffeine, diet supplements, hypoxic exposure, training aids, engineered "energy foods" etc. Its a matter of degrees. It has gone on forever too, amphetamines, alcohol, cigarettes (believe it or not!) have all been used in the past by cyclists to improve performance. Cylists doing an event like the Tour DeFrance are asked to do inhuman things to their bodies and there is tremendous pressure. I think sporting organizations, coaches, team doctors and trainers have to also examine their part in all of this too. Athletes do not cheat in a vacuum. Don't get me wrong ... I believe the things that riders are being banned and suspended for doing are unacceptable. I read somewhere about a survey of elite athletes who were asked if they would take something that would assure them an Olympic gold medal even if it meant that they would die from it in 5 years. I believe something like 80% said yes. And dying is a lot more serious than getting caught. When winning means everything to this degree, people will cheat.

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