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Last post 11-15-2009 7:02 PM by mudrock. 151 replies.
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  • 09-09-2009 12:38 PM In reply to

    • mudrock
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    Re: Riders in/out

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26016611-5013449,00.html

    http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/395550/team-sky-who-s-riding-for-the-new-superteam.html

    (You will have to cut-and-paste the above URLs to the head of the page. I can't provide a direct link with my iMac)

    Press stories above for you elucidation, THY. Many teams/riders refrain from official press releases while that rider is still riding for his/her old team. Recall that there was a huge falling out between Sastre and Riis last year during the Vuelta, which Sastre was racing, when it was announced that he was going with CTT.

    Alex
  • 09-09-2009 12:54 PM In reply to

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    mudrock:
     

    Hmmmm ... this article says Michael Barry is British ... I wonder when that happened.

    "Possibles (6)...
    Michael Barry (GBr)"

  • 09-09-2009 12:58 PM In reply to

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    mudrock:
    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26016611-5013449,00.html

    http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/395550/team-sky-who-s-riding-for-the-new-superteam.html

    (You will have to cut-and-paste the above URLs to the head of the page. I can't provide a direct link with my iMac)

    Press stories above for you elucidation, THY. Many teams/riders refrain from official press releases while that rider is still riding for his/her old team. Recall that there was a huge falling out between Sastre and Riis last year during the Vuelta, which Sastre was racing, when it was announced that he was going with CTT.

    Still just speculations!


    If the reason of his departure is that he didn't make the Tour-team, then it says more about Simon then the CTT-management.
    But if he do leave then I know that's not the reason, he is just not that kind of guy.
    He has always been a fighter and will always be a fighter.
    He had continued to stay positive and stood on even harder for next year to get the Tour-team in 2010.

    It's money or just that he has more faith (if its Sky) in the Sky method, that's the reason that he is leaving, if he is leaving.



    Gérard Vroomen about Thor Hushovd - I think he is one of the most underrated riders in the peloton!
  • 09-09-2009 1:17 PM In reply to

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    Re: Riders in/out

    THY:

    If the reason of his departure is that he didn't make the Tour-team, then it says more about Simon then the CTT-management.
    But if he do leave then I know that's not the reason, he is just not that kind of guy.
    Put yourself in the place of these riders, THY. Not being selected for the Tour, for a guy like Gerrans who has a proven track record at GTs, is like being benched by your team during the World Cup, or left off the roster during the baseball playoffs (pick your analogy). An athlete's career is short, their palmares decide the size of their contract the next year. It was a huge disappointment to be left off the roster for him.

    The other factor here is Scott Sunderland, a fellow Aussie who signed Gerrans to CTT in the first place. In fact, he signed all the CTT riders, and has a unique perspective on their talent. He knew that Pauwels and Gerrans were unhappy with decisions made and took advantage.

    Alex
  • 09-09-2009 1:37 PM In reply to

    • Jasann
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    Re: Riders in/out

    Boys - play nice. Please don't take it personally or the wrong way, but your like bickering kids that were reprimanded by their parents and it just added fuel to the fire. Isn't there a video game to form cycling teams, or something? It makes for interesting banter when you guys don't get so personal - lighten up a little.

  • 09-09-2009 3:17 PM In reply to

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    Mudrock, I do understand, but it happens all the time and as a professional you just have to shake it off.
    You have to prove that the management made a wrong decision, and that's what fighters do. And Simon Gerrans is a fighter!



    Gérard Vroomen about Thor Hushovd - I think he is one of the most underrated riders in the peloton!
  • 09-10-2009 7:57 AM In reply to

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    Re: Gerrans
    THY:
    Still just speculations!
    THY:
    that's the reason that he is leaving, if he is leaving
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sky-announces-ten-more-riders Your speculations are over dear THY. Managment and Gerard have lost undoubtedly one of their best riders...even though Gerard think all key riders are staying, oops, missed one!! Who's to blame? I wouldn't say it was Simon..
  • 09-10-2009 11:19 AM In reply to

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    3 riders I wanted to our team, is lost to Team Sky:

    THY:
    Riders I want for next season:
    Edvald Boasson Hagen (Team Columbia - HTC)
    Situation, the contract runs out after this season, Team Columbia - HTC wants to extend the contract. Team Sky is also interested!

    Kurt-Asle Arvesen (Team Saxo Bank)
    Situation, the contract runs out after this season, Team Saxo Bank probably wants to extend. Cervélo TestTeam was interested last year, but Kurt-Asle was under contract and Cervélo couldn't afford to by him out. This year he is free..


    THY:
    I just find out that swedish rider, Thomas Lövkvist (Team Columbia-HTC) has a contract that ends after this season. (Wiki)
    He could be a good rider for us next season!




    Boasson Hagen, Flecha, others to Team Sky

    Sky announces ten more riders

    Boasson Hagen, Gerrans and Lövkvist head to Team Sky



    Gérard Vroomen about Thor Hushovd - I think he is one of the most underrated riders in the peloton!
  • 09-10-2009 11:36 AM In reply to

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    Gerrans wins third big race, Worlds next?
    And unfortunately, and very disappointing Simon Gerrans is also lost for us!
    A big loss for us, he will be missed.

    But if he doesn't want to be with us, what can we do?
    Unfortunately nothing, hopefully we have got a amount of money for him, and can buy a good rider that can replace him..

    jamieh:
    Managment and Gerard have lost undoubtedly one of their best riders...even though Gerard think all key riders are staying, oops, missed one!! Who's to blame? I wouldn't say it was Simon..

    Gerard as a Cervélo official, can't reveal departures without permission.
    Of course, Gerard think Simon is/was a very important rider!

    Simon Gerrans was one of three captains of the Team!



    Gérard Vroomen about Thor Hushovd - I think he is one of the most underrated riders in the peloton!
  • 09-10-2009 12:20 PM In reply to

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    OK Gerrans is gone.Team Sky is putting together a formidable outfit. I wish him all the best. Can we move on now? Thanks. I don't know if Gerrans will try to spring for another stage win (he said something about 2 Vuelta stages that he thought could be his). I'd guess he is also thinking ahead to the Worlds at the end of September, so that may decide whether he goes for it or not.

    THY:
    Riders I want for next season

    Gerard said no big signings for CTT, so this may be wishful thinking. 

  • 09-10-2009 12:47 PM In reply to

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    The question is, what is the definition of "big signings"? Stick out tongue [:P]



    Gérard Vroomen about Thor Hushovd - I think he is one of the most underrated riders in the peloton!
  • 09-10-2009 8:24 PM In reply to

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    Re: Riders in/out

    THY:
    The cyclingweekly story mentions the rumor that CTT management was unhappy with Gerrans for going to the US prior to the Tour to train with Armstrong. I'm surprised he would clear that with the DS first, if true.
    Alex
  • 09-10-2009 9:21 PM In reply to

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    Re: Riders in/out

    mudrock:

    See, this has always been the issue. Rumour.

    And gerard complains about how "rumours and intrigue" arises.

    Well, then. Here's a simple suggestion (which should be obvious and prevent such complaint/observation about rumours and intrigue: If you would rather not release official statements that the exclusion was disciplinary in nature, then utilize the very same media avenues you used support Sastre the day immediately after his crazy lunatic press conference. Set the record straight and stop the rumours and intrigue.

    We have read countless interviews with Gerrans himself, who never mentioned that this was a reason given to him for being excluded from the TdF squad. So perhaps an idea might be to even actually tell the rider himself why such a decision was made. If it is a question of poor disipline, then advise the rider of that at the time he is not selected. These are obviosu measures which, frankly, I'm amazed that such intelligent people appear to forget.

    Instead, we read in gerard's blog banal diatribe on how righteous Sastre is after causing the press throng to laugh at him. How correct it was for him to blow his top and make a laughing stock out of himself and the team at a press conference. Perhaps this was an undisplined act? In fact the man thought so, himself, and apologised the next day. Unfortunately for gerard, this also serves to demonstrate that, while his bike designing and engineering prowess is nothing short of brilliant, his competence as a pro-bike scene commentator is a little less so.

    We have heard nothing official on the real reason(s) as to why Gerrans was left out of the TdF squad, and we never have. "We just couldn't find a spot for you" holds little weight when palmares are compared and contrasted, and when contemporaneous form of the athlete in the lead-up to the event is assessed.

    Gerard disappoints me (and many others) and betrays unofficial resentment toward Simon Gerrans for refusing to acknowledge him in his posts above - or even just to refer to his value to the team - in any of his statements. And that is fine - he might feel happy with that position. But it says a great deal more about Mr Vroomen than it does about Gerrans.

    Hypothetical-Rumourt-Stoking-Opinion (Since no official reason has ever been given): If Gerrans failed to advise his Director and team management of his intentions to fly to train in the company of Lance prior to the event, then that is not good - and it's his own fault. It would have been a valid reason to administer disciplinary action and preclude him from the TdF squad.

    Darren

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  • 09-10-2009 9:26 PM In reply to

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    Re: Riders in/out

    DeepCover:

    OK Gerrans is gone.Team Sky is putting together a formidable outfit. I wish him all the best. Can we move on now? Thanks.

    I will heed this request (except if i need to reply to anyone, should they reply to my posts)...

    I appreciate I have been outspoken on this matter, as it made me quite annoyed when it happened. I remained a bit miffed because no persuasive official reasons were ever provided to fans of this team and fans of the Tour de France. There was no closure on a stupid decision and no acknowledgement of either the rider or his merits by Gerard in his above post. I consider that to be disappointing.

    Darren

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  • 09-11-2009 10:52 AM In reply to

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    Re: Riders in/out

    Obviously decisions that are made to be punitive, if this story is true, have to be kept out of the press. Gerrans obviously would not want to air out such a thing, if he hopes to still ride for his team for the remainder of the season. We probably won't know until next year, if Gerrans even feels like talking then.

    I was hoping he would go with Radio Shack, but I can understand his loyalty to Sunderland. Faith in your director is all-important to riders. They often kill themselves out on the road for some other teammate, and having the motivation to do it is everything. The riders who lost faith in Van Poppel, are obviously the ones you see heading for the exit.

    Alex
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