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Pit bulls and pepper spray

Last post 11-15-2009 2:32 PM by peislc. 28 replies.
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  • 09-14-2009 4:07 PM In reply to

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    I have successfully, when out running,  punched dogs (head or  snout), hammer shot to the back of the neck, and with a pair of young pit bulls trying to outflank me, a kick to the belly. Be agressive, inflict pain. A baseball bat also works, but you're unlikely to have it at hand when you need it.

  • 09-14-2009 4:22 PM In reply to

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    Pit bulls don't feel pain. To get them off another dog you have to get hold of their back legs and pull them in opposite directions as hard as you can.
  • 09-14-2009 5:07 PM In reply to

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    wilwil:
    Pit bulls don't feel pain. To get them off another dog you have to get hold of their back legs and pull them in opposite directions as hard as you can.
     

    ... until...

     

    Wow!

    By now this surely must get the BTM (Best Thread of the Month) Award. That does it. I'm popping up some popcorn, I'm gonna sit at my laptop tonight, and I'm gonna keep refreshing this page.

    sigh... I love Cervelo...

     

     

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  • 09-14-2009 7:28 PM In reply to

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    Shoot I never thought of the wish bone approach.  That is truly inventive!!!  Yes I have dealt with lots of stupid dogs who could be out sprinted or scared off but all I could think of was the idea that when a pit ull clamps down it generally won't let go and that thought applied to my leg definitely caused me some serious concern..as I glanced across at the snarling beast separated only by my lovely SLC.  Once again it is amazing what a Cervelo can do for its rider!!!!!!

  • 09-14-2009 8:14 PM In reply to

    • thom_y
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    Re: Pit bulls and pepper spray

    If you think pitbulls are bad, British TV 'Chefs' driving electric sports cars are even worse...

    http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/tv-chef-james-martin-cooks-up-a-storm-with-anti-cycling-remarks-23188

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    Would like to pull both legs until they separate on this winner.

  • 09-15-2009 5:07 AM In reply to

    • RobC
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    Re: Pit bulls and pepper spray

    Has anyone actually been bitten by a dog while riding? I can't see it getting its teeth in to your legs at those speeds without a pedal / wheel / carbon sole etc busting their snout!. I ride in thailand and am chased by dogs quite frequently, always able to outrun them - they can't hold any sort of pace for long.

    I think it's the shock factor that takes us by suprise rather than a serious threat level.

     

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  • 10-13-2009 10:40 PM In reply to

    • rmh
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    Re: Pit bulls and pepper spray

     Ive only been chased by one dog and easily out ran it on my bike.

    Most domesticated dogs run at speeds from 15 to 30 miles per hour depending on the breed. Some dogs are much slower than others, such as the Pekingese. Average speed for most dogs is probably around 20 miles per hour. A racing greyhound can reach the speed of 60km/h (37.5 mph)

  • 10-13-2009 11:17 PM In reply to

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    This is truly a great thread. It feels like reading cycling chronicles in the art of war. Ambushes and intercept angles instead of jockeying for position in the peloton with 1k to go. What about carrying a hunting knife with sharp studded finger holes? The bike can still be used as a shield, but this way you'll have something to strike an effective blow with. I've been charged by two pit bulls but I wasn't on my bike. They took refuge under my car on a hot day and decided to make their new territory. As I approached, I heard growling but didn't know where it was coming from, then they charged me but held steady at 3 feet. My instinct was to act aggressive back, so I shouted, semi lunged at them and got ready to kick. Pit bulls are nasty dogs, but they really aren't that big, so I figured a kick in the right spot could do some damage (i.e. rupture a spleen, dislodge a kidney or perhaps collapse a lung). Since I didn't back down, they decided to scamper off. If they would have attacked, I might have gone down, but I was going to fight to the end.
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  • 10-14-2009 12:09 AM In reply to

    • Don
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    Re: Pit bulls and pepper spray

    RobC:

    Has anyone actually been bitten by a dog while riding? ... I think it's the shock factor that takes us by suprise rather than a serious threat level.

    About five years ago, breed specific dog legislation was being considered by the New Brunswick provincial government. Consultation was open to the public for presentations and submissions about the proposed legislation. At the time, I was a dog owner affected by the legislation.  I was also a cyclist who was being bothered by dogs running loose and because of their breed, the legislation would have no effect.  In my submission, I used discussions from various cycling forums to document the difficulties that cyclists have with dogs that are allowed to run or roam freely from their property. I noted that there were instances in Canada and the United States where cyclists have been bitten. I also noted instances of serious injury to the cyclist as a result of the dog interferring with the front wheel, even by a small dog.

    In searching the various forums, I became aware that there is no one method of dealing with the dog(s) that is effective in all situations. Sometimes a dog responds to a command and backs off (which implies that the dog has had some training). Sometimes a (bored) dog is in the chase merely for the excitement and a bite is never intended. Sometimes a dog is truly dangerous and its bad behavior has been reinforced and progressively escalated over time through negligence or intent of the owner.  The problem for the cyclist is that he can not differentiate which type of behavior that he is being confronted.

  • 11-06-2009 5:45 PM In reply to

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    My thoughts exactly.  Shoot the damn beast, with prejudice . . . .

  • 11-06-2009 8:39 PM In reply to

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    rainmann:

    My thoughts exactly.  Shoot the damn beast, with prejudice . . . .

    You're referring to the dog, or the owner?!
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  • 11-07-2009 2:10 PM In reply to

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    goodshot:

    FWIW, a Pit Bull's head is so hard and bony, that we're trained to shoot at their body mass and not the head.  Bullets frequently just bounce off their skull if shot at any kind of indirect angle, so even putting one down with a handgun can be difficult.   

    There are numerous web articles on this subject with some other good tips.  Best Wishes.  

    No, you need a really high effective obtuse angle to get that kind of deflection with any decent sized round, even a 9 mm, and definitely with a .40 s&w or a .45 acp, headshots from dead on or from the side are guaranteed kills with good penetration (even barely breaching the front skull wall with result in significant fragments entering the brain), gel tests confirm this.  As you know, they teach you to aim for center mass because it presents a much larger target from which to send multiple rounds at a quick rate with high hit percentage as well as affecting a greater number of critical organs, same as in the military.  The thing is, this won't always put it down for good right away, in these cases, it just happens to often become mortal wounds.  If you are good, in an encounter you may have time to aim and fire off 1-2 decent shots at the head, which may or may not hit given how fast dogs are and their general attack vector.  Shooting at center mass will let you get off at least 3-4 rounds with higher chance of hit, and possibility of slowing it down in the process; given it's not just a flesh through and through, they will die later if they are deterred and flee, or you will have an opportunity to put more rounds in it.   
  • 11-13-2009 3:18 PM In reply to

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     Well maybe if the stupid owner locks up that stupid dog you won't have to cut this ride out of your route.

  • 11-15-2009 2:32 PM In reply to

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    yes is innorant and stupid owners to responsibility for their pets, as they should, then these instances would not occur.  To reprise the original poitnt, the dog actually ambushed me, I have out run dogs before, but it is hard when the dog is nearly on your front wheel before you have a chance to react.  This was a pretty agressive pit bull and my sister in law had the misfortune to be bitten when out running.  it is an instict thing with a dog if they are chasing the predictor prey instict kicks in even with stupid little dogs which I have bopped on the nose.  zthis was my first encounter with an agressive pit bull and was wondering if pepper spray would be effective.  There is indication not to use it against a bear for instance so for for an animal bred for fighting and agression what is the feeling will pepper spray work to repell it or just cause more harm than good?

     BUT of course had my feelings of self preservation not out weighed my feeling of anger toward the stupid woman I would certainly and should have given her a strong piece of the standard wisdom that she was stupid and to keep her dog tethered.

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