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A Quickie question -no debate needed.

Last post 04-17-2013 12:00 PM by Don Bennett. 8 replies.
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  • 04-16-2013 10:45 AM

    • ifp123
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    A Quickie question -no debate needed.

    QUESTION: for all of you that own and ride 'Aero' and 'TT' bikes, based on YOUR setups, which riding position is more comfortable; on the 'drops' of a road bike, or the TT-forearm resting position?  I've never riden a TT bike. I'd want to carefully spend $$$$ if I decide to buy a TT bike when we're riding 50++ miles.

  • 04-16-2013 12:31 PM In reply to

    • jdais
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    Re: A Quickie question -no debate needed.

    Aerobars. Weight is on your forearms. Depending on your fit, you should get lower than on the drops.  Click on my bike links to see how my P3 is setup

  • 04-16-2013 12:41 PM In reply to

    • Kronan
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    Re: A Quickie question -no debate needed.

    Ok...I'm not quite in the group you're asking: I don't own a TT bike, but I've had a chance to try some decent miles on one and I do own an S2.  I'd say that it depends on how you are set-up and your flexibility...both can be comfortable, but you need to take the time to make them so. I'm quite wide in the shoulders and not super flexible, so personally find that I prefer my 460mm drop bars over aerobars for a vast majority of my riding. That said though, I'm still considering getting a 2-position post for my S2 and a set of clip-ons for doing long hauls (Centuries and longer)....may not be as quick as a TT bike, but it will give me more options for hand and body positions over an extended ride. YMMV, of course.

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  • 04-16-2013 1:34 PM In reply to

    Re: A Quickie question -no debate needed.

    LIke the other answers a lot depends on how flexible you are and how comfortable you feel in such a low position. I compete in time trials every week on a P3 and I can categorically state that once you are comfortable on the aero bars they are much faster. The trick is to find a compromise between being super flat and still being able to breathe properly. Some guys like the aero bars to be parallel to the ground and bring their head down to create the aerodynamic shape while others raise the aero bars a bit so that they don't need to bend so low. The other thing however is getting the saddle height and tilt right. Because I ride a high saddle and low bars and sit  forward on the saddle, I tilt the saddle down at the nose which stops the family jewels from getting numb. It really is about trial and error, but if you can persevere the aero bars are the business.

  • 04-16-2013 5:20 PM In reply to

    Re: A Quickie question -no debate needed.

    IMHO - The TT position is very comfortable and is a great position to be in for long rides. The question I would have for you.. What type of rides will these long rides be? Triathlons, Time Trials, Extended group rides or long solo rides?

    You do have options:

    1) You could add clip-on aero bars to your road bike if you are concerned with $$$$ - Also a benefit here that I have seen, is that in a group ride unless you are in front of the group you will be riding on the Hoods of the TT bike, which can cause some numbness quickly. With this option you will comfortable in either configuration and any ride you decide to do.

    2) LBS would most likely offer some kind rental for a day possibly two so you could test it on a long ride and determine whether another bike is what you need or what you want.

    3) With any new bike purchase the fit is the key - Retul is a definite (Riding Goals, Flexibility are a significant part of Retul culminating with you becoming one with your bike)

    I hope this helps you.

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  • 04-17-2013 9:14 AM In reply to

    • ifp123
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    Re: A Quickie question -no debate needed.

    RB Ellis:

    IMHO - The TT position is very comfortable and is a great position to be in for long rides. The question I would have for you.. What type of rides will these long rides be? Triathlons, Time Trials, Extended group rides or long solo rides?

    You do have options:

    1) You could add clip-on aero bars to your road bike if you are concerned with $$$$ - Also a benefit here that I have seen, is that in a group ride unless you are in front of the group you will be riding on the Hoods of the TT bike, which can cause some numbness quickly. With this option you will comfortable in either configuration and any ride you decide to do.

    2) LBS would most likely offer some kind rental for a day possibly two so you could test it on a long ride and determine whether another bike is what you need or what you want.

    3) With any new bike purchase the fit is the key - Retul is a definite (Riding Goals, Flexibility are a significant part of Retul culminating with you becoming one with your bike)

    I hope this helps you.

    1. The rides are *extended group rides*

    2. I would need to ask them.

    3. Professionally Fit = yes, of course.  The LBS Specialist is 'Accredited/certified/trained/former Olympic team/etc., etc.)

    ..I was just curious.  Thanks everyone.  I'll check things out in the next few weeks.

  • 04-17-2013 10:17 AM In reply to

    • racewatcher
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    Re: A Quickie question -no debate needed.

    To echo RB Ellis; most group road rides will not let you ride on the clip-ons, especially if you don't have gear or brake levers on them. I have an S2, and I use regular road bars, but add clip-ons for TT's and duathlons, and some solo training rides, but not for group rides. Being limited to only one race bike, I went with an aero road frame and do a simple conversion for races that allow TT bars; add the clip-ons, move the seat slightly forward and nose down a little, and I'm ready to go. Good luck, and let us know what you decide.
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  • 04-17-2013 10:42 AM In reply to

    • jdais
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    Re: A Quickie question -no debate needed.

    2nd.  For group rides you won't be riding in the TT position because you can't brake and you can't steer.  If I ride my P3 in a group I am always on the bullhorns unless riding the front or well behind the group

  • 04-17-2013 12:00 PM In reply to

    Re: A Quickie question -no debate needed.

    Maybe it's just me but I can't imagine ever riding in the bunch on a TT machine. They are not designed for the long rides that the bunch would do and the geometry, if you have it set up for TT, would be bloody uncomfortable. If you have bar end shifters, changing gear in the middle of a tight bunch would be problematic at the very least as stability is comprimised every time you do it. If you only have the one bike then a small frame with a good extension on the saddle and a low headstack with good clip-ons with elbow pads would be the way to go. That would allow you to TT when you want to with just maybe the saddle to adjust and in the bunch you wouldn't be using them anyway.

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